User talk:MGeog2022

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-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 12:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

File:GIJON CENTRO.png

File:GIJON CENTRO.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

In addition, I noticed that you've made malformed deletion requests. Here, {{Delete}} is not for speedy deletion, please see COM:DP. When you want to delete a page by manually using the {{Delete}} template (rather than the automatic Nominate for deletion or Nominate category for discussion tool in the Tools menu on the sidebar per COM:DR#Starting requests and COM:CFD#Starting requests), you must follow the instructions in the template, including the "Click here to show further instructions" portion (or Commons:Deletion requests/Listing a request manually policy or the "By hand" portion of COM:CFD#Starting requests, normally collapsed), otherwise you will create a lot of work for other people.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 00:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

And also:

• File:GIJON ESTE.png
• File:GIJON OESTE.png
• File:GIJON SUR.png
• File:OVIEDO CENTRO.png
• File:OVIEDO ESTE.png
• File:OVIEDO OESTE.png

  — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 01:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm new to Wikimedia Commons. Thank you very much for the advice, and above all, for fixing all seven malformed deletion requests. MGeog2022 (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome, but you forgot to ping me.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 13:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: OK, I'm pinging you now. I'm still learning :-) MGeog2022 (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Good. You've been through COM:FS, right?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 13:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Yes, I've read "first steps".

I'll mark all 7 old images with "speedydelete" and the same reason they now have each one of them. I was the original uploader of all 7, and have changed all uses in Commons and Wikipedia to the new JPEG equivalents. I would have liked to upload a new version for all them, but it is not possible to replace an image with another in a different format. I could not create (original files were in PDF format) new PNG images with good quality and reasonable size, so I had to make JPEG ones. MGeog2022 (talk) 13:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Which criteria for speedy deletion do they meet? Please understand that on WMF projects any png image will look fuzzy when scaled down (due to design decisions discussed in phab:T192744).   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 14:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: They were of lower quality themselves, as compared with the new JPEG ones (it's easy to see it when viewed with enough zoom). I made a mistake using PNG for this kind of image at first. I'll add "F8. Exact or scaled-down duplicate" to all of them. MGeog2022 (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: All of them are now tagged with "This file is an exact duplicate or scaled-down version of:". I hope everything is OK now. MGeog2022 (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You could add that to the DR subpages along with {{Vsd}}.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 16:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

File:GIJON ESTE.png

File:GIJON ESTE.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Túrelio (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Autopatroller

Hi, I gave you the Autopatroller right. Thanks for your contributions. Yann (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Yann, thanks for the info. You're welcome :-) MGeog2022 (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Huge datasets worth preserving?

Hi!

As many data on the web vanished (partly due to political motivations), I would like to ask you if you know useful datasets that could be uploaded to Commons? I am covering orthophotos of Germany right now, but I can imagine you have some good ideas, too :)

Greetings --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 17:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @PantheraLeo1359531. I don't know many details about the US datasets that are currently in big danger, but I suspect that they are mostly numeric or textual data that I don't know how they would exactly fit into Commons (but they probably could). It's great to have freely licensed orthophotos and maps about one's own country. It's also the case with, for example, Spain and the United States, but, unfortunately, not with countries such as the United Kingdom.

There are some cases where I dream about having full collections in maps uploaded to Commons, but I think about it as something almost impossible to do it by myself, due to the needed time and effort:

• Spain's National Topographic Map (source: https://centrodedescargas.cnig.es/): I've uploaded the maps for the main cities and several interesting areas, for the first digital edition of MTN50 (1:50,000 scale). It would be great to have the more than 1,000 sheets that form that edition of the map (a unique edition because it shows full Spain consistently as it was in the 1999-2010 period, while other editions, both pre-digital and the next digital editions, are updated only on a per-sheet basis, in very different dates). In addition, it would be even greater to have all the sheets of all editions of MTN50, and the same for MTN25 (1:25,000 scale). There are lots of sheets of MTN25 in Commons, but probably not all from all editions.
• All versions of all orthophotos of Spain from PNOA (same source: https://centrodedescargas.cnig.es/).
• All the sheets of all editions of United States Geological Survey (USGS) maps (source: https://www.usgs.gov/). This is a really HUGE number for sure.
• The same for other countries with freely licensed maps.
• The full collection of 123 sheets of 2010 orthophotomap of Asturias in PDF format (source: https://ideas.asturias.es/).

Except for the last case, fully uploading (including setting the descriptions, etc) any of these sets of maps is a really formidable work, but using automated tools perhaps could make it possible. MGeog2022 (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! When I have time and resources, I may upload some of them :)

Some items sound like Commons:Batch uploading.

Greetings --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@PantheraLeo1359531, thanks to you for asking for proposals! :-) MGeog2022 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yayy :) Digital preservation is a very important topic to me, and I am horrified how people do not care about this topic, let it be in my hometown and elsewhere :(. If you have new ideas, please let me know :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@PantheraLeo1359531, an update on this: I uploaded the remaining sheets from the 2010 orthophotomap of Asturias in PDF format, and it's fully uploaded by now. More sheets from the first digital edition of MTN50 (1:50,000 scale) have been uploaded by me and other users, but many others still remain without being uploaded. Regarding other countries with freely licensed maps, I'm sure many is still to be done, but, for Switzerland's case, it's already done, and the result (I have not contributed to it at all) is really great. MGeog2022 (talk) 11:02, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

I think it needs the effort of many OpenRefine-fluent users to upload the humongous amounts of files, as we face several 100,000 files and many many Terabytes in total. Thank you for your efforts :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Stance on Mapillary

Hi!

I stumbled across Mapillary some weeks ago. It is a free panoramic viewer of street imagery. As it covers also streets of many countries, even in special areas, I would like to know what your opinion is on backing up this content. As Mapillary is owned by Meta, it could be subject to restrictions or more in the near future. It covers many many million images, many also useful for Commons. Kind regards, --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 08:20, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

(example: imagery of Greenland PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 08:20, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @PantheraLeo1359531! I didn't know about Mapillary: I wished that something like "OpenStreetView" existed, and it seems that it already existed :-D

Of course, if all or part of its content is freely licensed, my opinion is that it would be great to upload it (or the freely licensed parts) to Commons. If it's several TB in size, it would be good to talk first about it on Village Pump or the like, though. My opinion (and I hope the opinion of most Wikimedians also) is that all free educational (including historical, not necessarily old) media has its place in Commons, unless it's too much burden for Commons total storage size (we don't know what's "too much" without asking: maybe doubling current Commons size is a problem, maybe it isn't).

In this case, a solution would be to prioritize the images considered as most important. Another point would be to categorize the images so they can still be "navigated" in some way, in Commons. Depending on how many people are interested, it would even be possible to create a navigation viewer plugin in Commons (similar to the current ZoomViewer), using OpenStreetMap and the uploaded Mapillary images. MGeog2022 (talk) 10:51, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

I had a talk in a Telegram chat of Wikimedians. They were also in favor of uploading content, but the problem is that some sequences may have unnecessary images (unsharp, wrong focus, etc.). I assume that the WMF can handle some petabytes without problems. I think it would be good to have a crawler that crawls the sequence IDs (in a certain area) to download the high-res (through the API) files and to remove the low-quality ones before upload. Especially high-populated places have incredibly much images. Even my hometown (<50000 inhabitants) has maybe 15000 to 20000 files :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Even if we would get into too high storage problems, the transfer could be stretched onto more months ;) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 12:03, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

@PantheraLeo1359531, good luck with it, it sounds as a really formidable work. Yes, WMF, with its budget, could host several PB for sure (including backups and redundancy), but it has to first take the step to prioritize investments in expanding the storage capacity.

Mapillary images eventually making more than half of total Commons size sounds a bit strange, but, given than many movies and other filmings will enter public domain over the next years, Commons total size will grow a lot for sure, so it's unlikely Mapillary will take more than half of the space for much time. I hope WMF commits strongly to Commons needs: media files take a lot of space, but they are much needed, both to complement the content of Wikipedia and other wikis, and for preservation of historical materials. MGeog2022 (talk) 18:22, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

I have here some graphs about the growth :). I think I will talk wit some other people how this could be realised. Maybe like beginning with some thousands files per day :). I would expect that this runs in the background, and possibly won't aggregate that many terabytes so quickly anyway. File:Zuwachs der Datenmenge auf Commons pro Jahr in Terabyte 20250322.svg, File:Entwicklung der Datenmenge auf Wikimedia Commons 20220507.svg

--PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 08:40, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

I transmitted a request. Funny enough, the recipient thought about a batch importer, too. Let's see what happens :) --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 08:24, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

@PantheraLeo1359531, for several million images, yes, it makes sense to think about automatic batch uploading :D

While being data from a single source, that could make more than half of total Commons size, I think it's good to have it here despite that, because it's like a "view of (parts of) the world", that wouldn't be otherwise possible to have available in Wikimedia. That is, it's a really big amount of data, but also a very important one.

By the way, whether it's eventually added to Commons or not, it would be fine to also include it in OpenStreetMap as a kind of "OpenStreetView", if OpenStreetMap is open to that (and it would help to expand the coverage of the street views, with the help of OpenStreetMap community). MGeog2022 (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2025 (UTC)